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THE DEBATE
We are taken to task periodically by some members of the media and individuals. We appreciate the opportunity this affords us to refine our understanding of the issues in this field and respond to them. You will find some of the dialog on this topic by following the link below. |
Planktos is vitally concerned with the repercussions and perceptions, both real and imagined, of various aspects of mans interaction with the ocean environment. For the last nearly 200 years man has been engaged in what must certainly be the most significant change to the planets environment. This grand planetary experiment is the raising of the atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) concentration. Science now easily shows the record of rising CO2 which is the result of the industrial revolution and the burning of fossil (carbon) fuels. This 'experiment' is clearly resulting in global warming and climate change. Though this process is almost too slow for an individual to perceive it is easily seen and felt over the course of generations. Our lives will not be severely impacted by this experiment but our grand children's lives will most certainly be. Carbon dioxide is the main "greenhouse gas" (GHG) which concerns policy makers addressing global Climate Change. The best estimates are that the CO2 problem is the surplus of about 6-8 billion tonnes per year that the world's plant life is not able to convert to bio-carbon and oxygen. It is widely accepted that no single solutions to perfectly stabilize atmospheric GHG concentrations at "safe" levels are presently possible but that effective technologies do exist that bundled together might slow the rate of change and thus give our grandchildren time to adapt to those inevitable changes that are already in motion. Meaningful GHG emissions reductions are only achievable by applying a basket of technologies to address the problem. These include:
A substantial number of concerns are being raised in academic, political, and industrial systems asking what might happen if ocean biomass sequestration becomes a large scale activity. It is one role of Planktos to investigate these concerns. We are engaged in a five year research program that will provide many answers. Additional intensive scientific efforts by ocean science research groups around the world are adding to our knowledgebase every year. This is a hot topic in science and industry both for us and for many others around the world. The following cartoon (1990) is part of what started interest in the "Geritol Solution." It portrays the late great John Martin describing the role of iron in the worlds oceans to a scientific conference.
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Climate Change is also Ocean Change Many concerns are being voiced with regard to the application of directed efforts to help grow plants in oceans for the purpose of biomass carbon sequestration. Some of those concerns that have been made to us include the following: |
Ocean Change is also Climate Change To really understand how Ocean Change might affect climate we have to keep in mind some important aspects of context.
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June 2003 the NPR Radio Show
"Living on Earth" that touts itself as program providing
"sound
science for the planet"
ran a program taking Planktos to
task. A careful reading of their program and associated web materials reveals that they
seem to have forgotten their own mission statement or perhaps they simply don't
have the competence to report on science. What "Living On Earth" presented may sound
like science to them but it clearly is not. Our efforts to have "LOE"
redress the distortions they presented as science have fallen totally on deaf
ears.
Here are some excerpts from dialog between the program presenter and executive producer Steve Curwood and their reporter Wendy Williams. The LOE web site has a transcript of the program. ----------------------------------------------------- They say! Sound Science or Fertilization Folly? CURWOOD: Welcome to Living on Earth. I'm Steve Curwood. Russ George is a Wendy, first tell me what do Mr. George's tiny phytoplankton have to do
with carbon dioxide in the atmosphere?
WILLIAMS: Well, the interesting thing about phytoplankton is that they
are very, very small, one cell, and they are plant-like. They take carbon
dioxide out of the atmosphere... CURWOOD: So, how does iron fit into all of this? WILLIAMS: ... An oceanographer named John Martin
from the west coast, came along at the beginning of the 1990s and theorized that
iron was the limiting factor. All of us need iron in order to have cellular
processes operate in us, whether we're human beings, animals, or plants. CURWOOD: But only tiny amounts of iron. WILLIAMS: Only tiny, tiny trace amounts of iron.... CURWOOD: So, the idea is that iron somehow would make more phytoplankton?
CURWOOD: What do scientists say about this? How practical do they say
this scheme might be to use iron filings to effect
climate change?
WILLIAMS: Initially, three or four years ago, there were some leading oceanographers that were interested in the idea. It did look, from the research that had been done so far, as though seeding the oceans and growing phytoplankton could, in fact, help with global climate change.
In the last
couple of months, particularly over the last year, many of those scientists have
come to say that they really don't think it's a very
efficacious idea. It turns out that the amount of iron that you would
need, and the amount of phytoplankton that you would have to grow, would be so
considerable that it's just not practical.
CURWOOD: What would this do to the biology of the ocean? WILLIAMS: The scientists that I've spoken with have a number of concerns about how the biology of the ocean could be affected.
Inducing large scale phytoplankton blooms in the ocean could deplete the ocean of oxygen which is needed by other organisms that live in the ocean.
It could create gaseous effects which might be released back into the atmosphere and heat up the atmosphere, instead of cool it off.
It could upset the food chain in the ocean so
that other organisms that we hadn't expected to be there and that really don't
belong there might suddenly show up. It could be that by adding iron to
certain parts of the ocean, we might be encouraging the wrong kinds of
phytoplankton to live in the ocean, rather than the kinds of phytoplankton that
normally live there. We don't actually know.
CURWOOD: One thing that you said that really intrigued me, the notion
that this could perhaps make global warming worse? WILLIAMS: Well, there is some science now to show that it could have the reverse effect. John Martin was playing around and said a half a tanker of iron will bring you the Ice Age, but some science actually researching that idea has shown that in some cases it could heat up the climate. Large phytoplankton blooms may, in fact, absorb sunlight from the sky, and then may heat up the ocean, which, of course, could heat up the climate. It could have all kinds of effects that we can't foresee.
CURWOOD: So, what else have we learned from real studies of trying to
seed the ocean with iron filings, scientific studies?
WILLIAMS: Well, researchers have learned a lot of very profitable things.
And every one that I spoke with, all of the researchers
with whom I spoke were very enthusiastic about being allowed to go on to
continue to do these kinds of small scale studies. They're learning all
about carbon pumps. They're learning about ocean circulation. They need to know
much, much more about phytoplankton. Phytoplankton is sort of a generic name for
a number of different organisms, and we understand very little about them, why
they're in the ocean, where they go, who eats them, who eats the ones that ate
them. And what researchers are doing now is using this as a kind of tool in
order to learn a lot more. CURWOOD: Now, as I understand it, there is some interest in large-scale
iron fertilization, iron ocean fertilization projects. Who is interested in
promoting such things? WILLIAMS: There have been several companies that initially thought that
it would be a good idea. Seven different patents to date have been taken out on
this as a way to sell carbon credits that might or might not be tradable on the
international market. Most of them are waiting to see. I went out to CURWOOD: What's going on there? WILLIAMS: Well, I visited with a very nice man named Russ George, who has
a website, and tells people that if they want to deal with the carbon that they
themselves have helped to put in the atmosphere, they can send him a certain
amount of money and he'll seed the ocean with iron for them, grow the
phytoplankton, and they will have dealt with their personal carbon obligations
that way. CURWOOD: In fact, do you think folks are going to get the deal that
they're looking for?
WILLIAMS: Right now, there's no science that says they will. The science,
basically, has panned out to say that that will not occur.
CURWOOD: Now, who oversees what folks like Mr. George and other
entrepreneurs are doing? WILLIAMS: That's one of the problems right now that we're dealing with as
a nation and as a world. By not signing the Kyoto Treaty, we are opting out of
the supervisory situation which the
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Naturally we
at Planktos have looked this over very carefully and provide
here some facts that refute the statements made by "Living on Earth." We take strong exception to LOE ignoring our public statements and published materials that clearly state our mission and method. LOE presents an opinionated, judgmental, and fictional tale bereft of sound science but full of insult and innuendo.
You be the judge of who provides "Sound science for the Planet." -------------------------------------------------------------- We Say!
Of course merely reporting on the work of a small research organization doesn't make very good expose style radio copy and in that light it is easy to understand why Mr. Curwood choose to employ the tabloid journalistic device of eschewing what we say and instead attempt to brand and discredit our work by reducing it to..... "you give him money, and he'll seed the ocean with iron filings..." Such a statement does indeed sting us to our environmentalist roots as it is intended to do. It also demeans our work and suggests it is all rather mercenary. It is first rate tabloid journalism. It most certainly is not honest reporting. He goes on to report that the work of Planktos is "not backed up by much in the way of credible science." What can we say, this statement seems to reveal that LOE has neither looked over Planktos Web Site nor referred to the many much kinder and gentler to say nothing of more reputable reports on our work. Certainly we don't practice the kind of science Mr.Curwood and LOE do so maybe by their standard we would be guilty of not being backed by their kind of science. Of course then again having our work featured in the Journal Nature in January 2003 carries a little weight amongst our scientific peers.
No issue here we at least agree on what phyto-plankton are.
You can read more about the late great John Martin on NASA's website at http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Library/Giants/Martin/
Indeed tiny is the word. Iron occurs in the open ocean, that is those parts of the ocean far out to sea, at levels of a few parts per trillion. This level of iron supports the bare minimum requirement for ocean plants to survive. Episodically more iron arrives as a result of terrestrial dust that blows off the land and in some cases derives from deep water upwelling. When this iron arrives in the surface waters as it does with great frequency the phytoplankton of the ocean bloom. This is the nature of ocean plants which are largely dependent on dust blown iron ore (magnetite and hematite) from the land and have evolved a bloom response nature to do so. The idea that we use iron filings makes it all sound rather simplistic and artificial. Further to say this is of course factually and scientifically misleading. Iron filings would sink immediately out of the surface waters and have no effect. Further iron filings are not what the ocean plants have evolved to make use of, they evolved to use iron ore dust, otherwise known as as the red coloring in everyday dirt. Planktos has used iron ore (magnetite and hematite) in some of its experiments. One of our contributions to science is that and we use this material in a submicron particle size, where the particles are so small that the sink rate is measured in weeks and months as opposed to minutes. Our material is the very same natural iron that the ocean plants receive from dust storms only in much smaller particles. One advantage of such small particles is that they linger so long in the surface waters that the iron is slowly made biologically available. LOE do not seem to have the ability to report what we use accurately nor do they appear to have any inclination in reporting accurately what we do. As one reads through the LOE materials one begins to find all the characteristics of determined spin mastering by LOE. Facts don't seem to be nearly as important as choosing to use a pejorative word or twisting facts with a clever turn of phrase. "... many of those scientists have come to say that they really don't think it's a very efficacious idea. Interest in the role of iron in the worlds oceans and the potential for it to be a climate change mitigation tool began in the late 1980's. It was a mature idea in 1989 when John Martin presented it at ocean conferences. Support was already so great that funding was beginning to flow to finance the foundational science needed to perform lab scale experiments. Funding for open ocean experiments led by Prof. Martin were soon to come from major research agencies in the USA and abroad with the first taking place in the early 1990's but not before John died of cancer. However his colleagues continued his work and now perhaps a dozen ocean experiments have taken place with many more funded and planned for the near future. LOE continues on the path that suggests that this idea ought to be considered in their apparent context that being the question of whether iron and phytoplankton offer a singular solution to global climate change. If total cure is not at hand they then try to make the point that it "is not a very efficacious idea and just not practical based on how much phytoplankton needs to be grown" These un-named scientists that LOE cites and recites with the phrase "The scientists that I've spoken with" have some rather contentious concerns. It's a well established tabloid journalism technique to have contentious concerns not attributable to real identifiable people but rather invoke the collective wisdom of un-named experts. This sort of shoddy journalism is the very reason that scientific journals like the Journal Nature with their penchant for reference to specific work exist. Let's look at these "number of concerns about how the biology of the ocean could be affected." First - "Deplete the ocean of oxygen ...." In fact ocean plankton blooms of stupendous size thousands of times larger than any ocean iron experiment yet performed or proposed occur frequently in all of the oceans of the world. You can view images of many such natural plankton blooms throughout the Planktos Web Site or by Googling the Internet. The study of such blooms is neither new nor without substantial detail thoroughly reported upon in over a century of ocean science literature. IN FACT such oxygen depletion has not been reported of blooms that occur in iron limited regions of the worlds oceans. Just how the folks at LOE can justify raising a cry of alarm over a such a purely speculated effect when over a hundred years of ocean science shows no such phenomena has been observed is a stretch, it certainly is not sound science. Next - "create gaseous effects which might be released back into the atmosphere and heat up the atmosphere, instead of cool it off.". OK this is the story of DMS (dimethylsulfides).
There are indeed greenhouse gases that living plants release both at sea and
on land. Some phytoplankton do release DMS but the fact is that the issue
here is made Sound Science when one understands the and provides the context.
The reality is that we
know that iron depleted oceans emit more of DMS, the opposite of what LOE
reports in its speculation that iron enriched oceans might emit more DMS.
If you search the net on
Google using the term dimethylsulfide and phytoplankton as the search terms
you will find references to the following paper link This paper tells how in the North Pacific ocean severe iron limitation that is becoming more and more limited is shown to be producing a species shift to species like E.hux. One characteristic of this species which has been blooming in recent years in never before seen amounts and is producing greater emission of DMS. This is exactly the reverse of what the "Sound science for the planet" folks at LOE have stated but hey who pays attention that closely to details on shock (shlock) radio. Next - Adding iron might result in species shifts in the natural ocean phytoplankton community. "so that other organisms that we hadn't expected to be there and that really don't belong there might suddenly show up." As we can see from the story of the DMS such species shifts are already well underway due in substantial part to the effects of global climate change and other factors such as changes in agricultural methods that preserve topsoil and reduce iron carrying dust transfer from land to sea. Adding iron to forest sized patches of the North Pacific might well qualify it as the cure not the cause of such effects. To carry further our expose' of this pattern of perfectly backward science being presented by LOE as "sound science for the planet" lets continue.
Next - LOE states that " Large phytoplankton blooms may, in fact, absorb sunlight from the sky, and then may heat up the ocean, which, of course, could heat up the climate. It could have all kinds of effects that we can't foresee." Let us tackle this notion from two angles. By basic first principals physics we know that a very clear ocean, meaning one with very little in it, e.g. sparse phytoplankton, offers less particulate matter to reflect sunlight back into space. Hence the clearer the water the more perfect absorber of the suns energy it is - NOT the opposite as LOE presents. In clear water the sunlight simply penetrates into the deep until all of it's energy is absorbed. As phytoplankton grows in the ocean it provides particulate materials that reflects more sunlight and heat, this is known as albedo in ocean science lingo. Anyone can do a quick Google of the Internet entering albedo and phytoplankton as the search terms and find countless references showing that phytoplankton blooms have been shown to reflect more sunlight and cool the ocean. Here is but one of those Googled references http://asd-www.larc.nasa.gov/ceres/STM/2001_01/Jin_Zhonghai.pdf
But as we have shown LOE clearly has not interest in simple fact checking. When LOE has an idea they want to use to sell their program they just say whatever it takes to support that claim. Of course the have the famous Dr. Some Scientist and colleagues to back up their presentation. To make matters all the worse LOE adds the following stinger ending to their paragraph - "it could have all kinds of effects that we can't foresee." This sort of statement is meant only to unsettle the listener or reader and is of course a political comment and not characteristic of legitimate journalism. No one can refute the threat from "all kinds of effects that we can't foresee."
Indeed LOE has gotten it right here this topic is perhaps the most studied and popular of topics in modern ocean science. Vast resources are being provided from scientific organizations around the world to study the influence of micro-nutrients on ocean ecosystems. While some academics would have all research flow through their guild guarded gates this is not the way of the world. Major corporations who are proactive on searching for climate change solutions are participating. Research teams like Planktos have a role, as do for profit entrepreneurs who are investing private funds to seek such solutions. No reputable organization has claimed or suggested that any one solution to global climate change is capable of solving the problem. The world is already well on its way to global climate change which is also changing the nature of the worlds oceans. The most dramatic change the oceans are likely to see is being brought on by rising CO2 levels in the global atmospheric/ocean carbon cycle. This is already changing the temperature of the Arctic and Antarctic seas and the speciation in those seas as well as oceans around the world. Some would like to suggest that the ocean is a last great wild frontier that man has not yet changed and that if we only leave it alone all will be well. This is simply not the case. The oceans are changing dramatically even drastically and we can no longer simply say that everything will be fine if we humans just leave it alone. The notion that iron additions to the ocean need to be comprehensive and constant to "make a contribution" is sheer nonsense. People have accepted that solutions to global climate change that are as simple as one person planting one tree is not only a useful but worthy contribution. Forests all over the world are being planted with funds provided by corporations, governments, and individuals who want to help reduce the atmospheric CO2 levels. Planktos supports the idea that ocean forests much like forests on land will sequester biomass carbon in an effective fashion. Certainly the sequestration of carbon by ocean forests is more long lived than sequestration of carbon by forests on land. The ocean forest while a living plant community like a terrestrial forest is also different in many ways. Ocean Phytoplankton has never had the need to organize it's cells into great collectives, read Trees, that plant cells on land have had to do. They evolved and survive by conforming to a different set of conditions that have led to the ocean forest having a life cycle of days instead of centuries. When we grow a forest on land we commit that land to forest for a century or more. When we grow an ocean forest of the same size we commit that forest sized patch of ocean for a matter of perhaps 60 days. Plants whether on land or at sea grow in a rather similar fashion. They take up CO2 and bind it with energy from the sun to produce plant tissues. The rate at which this occurs is readily measured and quantified and thus the utility of this effect is readily verified. In the world today carbon forests are a commodity that people are willing to pay to have planted, measured, and verified so that the global climate change mitigation effect can be certified. The certificates that are produced by this work are being traded experimentally to discover whether this will be one of the tools that will help us limit the effects of global climate change. Whether a carbon forest is growing on land or in the ocean it is still a forest of plants. This is simply a preposterous statement that anyone with an inclination to read the copious literature in this field will discover. A good place to start is right here on the Planktos Web site. Another way to get a fast education in this field is to simply Google the Internet/
We think the question should be who oversees who. Surely Mr. Curwood and his team who proclaim to provide "sound science for the planet" but as we have shown here do nothing of the sort should be subject to some oversight. They have fabricated a tale that postures as science and criticizes the people and the work of Planktos and many others who pursue the path of seeking to help discover possible tools to help mitigation global climate change. This presentation of the Kyoto treaty as being the singular method for countries to work on global climate change is very odd. No country that has signed the Kyoto treaty has implemented legislation to date that is as potent as that implemented by many states. "They don't think will accomplish climate mitigation." No singular mitigation tool will solve the juggernaut scale problem that global climate change present nor will any singular political legislative tool suffice. We must address this crisis by any and every means at our disposal. |
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Biomass sequestration
by and for industry is a device they use to avoid doing more important energy
conservation and conversion activities.
May 10, 2002 I cannot support the objectives of your organization. While I do accept that plankton is a natural resource that should be protected, I have fundamental objections to artificial stimulation of its growth with the objective of generating carbon credits. Preservation of the world's plankton resources should be part of a larger drive to conserve our fishstocks, reduce greenhouse gas emissions and reduce polluting emissions into our oceans. The preservation of plankton should under no circumstances be used to generate credits to offset greenhouse gas emissions elsewhere. Having participated in the international climate change negotiations, I've seen the unfortunate abuse of sequestration by key developed countries as a means to avoid their responsibility to tackle climate change at its true source - in particular human energy consumption. Reducing rather than sequestering emissions is the only way to solve climate change in the long term. Finding short-term other solutions, in particular through sequestration generating credits to offset emissions, will only postpone the emission reductions and development of new technologies that we need to stop climate change in the longer term. Best regards, Jürgen Lefevere Programme Director, Climate Change
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Dear Jurgen, Thank you for your note and opinions. We believe that gathering informed opinions on this topic is one of our most important tasks. In light of your comments perhaps you might consider one of the mechanisms we are studying that impacts both the oceans and climate. It is now well established that dust blowing from land deposits the critical iron micro-nutrient that ocean plankton depend upon for growth. In the 1930's the United States experienced a period known as the "dustbowl years." Due to poor agricultural practices and dry weather giant dust storms ravaged the country. Out of this top soil depleting disaster the US Soil Conservation Service was created. Soil conservation became an important part of agriculture in the US and this created many dry land agriculture methods that preserves top soil. Jump forward 50 years and move to China. China began to practice soil conservation in the dry western territories in the last half of the 20th century. Their efforts have been very successful and billions of tons of topsoil have been protected from blowing away. Now what effect might this have you are thinking. The North Pacific Ocean is now known to have been experiencing a dramatic decline in productivity for the last 20-30 years. While many factors may be at work in this decline certainly the dramatic reduction in micro-nutrients from the primary source which is Western China and Gobi desert dust storms is one of the factors. It may be necessary to mitigate the loss of critical micro-nutrients, that result from good and necessary Chinese agricultural practices, to preserve, enhance, restore and protect the productivity of the North Pacific. Keep in mind that reduction in primary productivity in the ocean results in less CO2 being naturally sequestered. This is a very big number. To study and find out the answers to the problems of declining productivity in the North Pacific we need to fund research. Our view is that there is an eager industrial sector who will be willing to help fund such research if we provide them with economic incentives to do so. Ocean Biomass Carbon Credits is one of Planktoss strategies to fund this critical research. So you see our efforts are not merely a means to provide industry and society an easy way to avoid reducing the consumption of fossil fuels. The issues of climate change and ocean change are complex and multi-faceted and will require every good idea we can come up with to help solve the problems. Sincerely,
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| Large plankton blooms may rot and deplete ocean waters of oxygen (eutrophication) resulting in mass die offs of ocean life. |
Historical observation of plankton blooms especially those that occur far out to sea as opposed to in confined coastal regions is that claims of possible Eutrophication and mass die offs of marine life are not supported by the historical evidence. In what we believe the preferred embodiment of ocean biomass carbon sequestration projects episodic treatment of forest sized patches of ocean would produce the desired effect. By mimicking Mother Nature in both the iron component added and the brief episodic nature of the additions there is no evidence based reason to believe that blooms so produced would lead to the speculated eutrophication effect. As well such projects would require an intensive monitoring program in order that biomass production and distribution is well and accurately accounted for. If any hint of problems might arise one would have the ability to modify protocols to avoid this getting out of hand. Most importantly the only way we might ever have a real answer to this question is to conduct the kind of research program proposed by Planktos.
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Growing plankton in the ocean won't alone save the world from climate change so why do it at all.
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Biomass carbon sequestration is becoming a feature in emission management schemes around the world. Forestry projects are the most prominent of these programs and new forests are being planted to scrub CO2 from the atmosphere and sequester that biomass carbon in trees. In addition stable grasslands are also being created for the same purpose of biomass carbon sequestration. Not all of earths land mass is suitable for biomass carbon sequestration and of course no one proposes to use the whole of earths land mass for such efforts. Since the world is 2/3's ocean and those oceans
also grow abundant plant life it is logical to presume that some regions
of the worlds oceans, just as some regions of the worlds land mass, is
suited to encouraging plant growth for the purpose of biomass carbon
production. Indeed since the size of the worlds oceans are so great one might
imagine that compared to land use for such purposes a much small percentage of
the oceans might be allocated for this use. |
| Stimulating plankton growth with iron will produce unknown and perhaps dangerous effects. |
Ocean science is a mature science with at least two centuries of scientific observation forming the foundation for our understanding of the ocean environment. We are certainly not perfectly knowledgeable but we do have good foundations. We now know that ocean phyto-plankton in much of the worlds oceans is dramatically growth limited by the short supply of key micro-nutrients with iron being perhaps the most important of these. In this environment where iron is in high demand and short supply evolution has produced a phyto-plankton community that is remarkably responsive to episodic arrival of iron to patches of ocean water. Iron arrives in these waters by two means one is upwelling of deep ocean waters and the other is airborne dust which originates from dusty regions of land often thousands of miles from where the dust is deposited. We have been observing very large plankton blooms in the worlds oceans for two centuries. With very rare exceptions such blooms have not been seen to produce terrible effects. We now know that many of these blooms have been produced by the arrival of iron from airborne dust fall. The form of iron arriving in such dust is derived from common "iron ores" which make up 1-3% of dirt and dust around the world. (Where we find this same iron ore in deposits of high concentration we find iron mines.) This native iron ore form of iron is that which Planktos proposes is the most suitable material for stimulating plankton growth. |
| Speciation and bio-diversity changes will be inevitable with iron stimulated blooms thus upsetting the balance of nature. |
Speciation and bio-diversity due to plankton response to iron micro-nutrient additions are most likely similar to those seen in blooms stimulated by iron that arrives by both natural and artificial means. This is however a very important question that needs to be answered by careful applied research. Many ocean iron experiments have already taken place and many more are scheduled by a variety of organizations around the world. Over the course of the next five years we hope to add substantially to the knowledgebase on this topic. |
| People cannot be trusted to do this sort of work without becoming driven by overwhelming greed, will be outside of regulatory oversight, and will of course muck up all of the oceans everywhere. | Sorry we
don't have an answer to this one.
We seek solace when fretting in this manner by reading the poetry of the 13th century Islamic poet Hafiz. |
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